Who do you think will start? and why?
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Which former MHSAA Player will QB the Spartans in 2009? |
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Posts: 6496 12/15/08 6:11 PM Board Owner |
Nice to see some instate guys battling it out .
Who do you think will start? and why? Who will be the Spartan QB in 2009? (Result) |
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pavlov |
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1) Nichol. Battled Sam Bradford tough at OU. Almost beat him out as a true Freshman when Sam was a RS freshman. Will be in his third year of College football,
and will have had enough practice time and practice snaps to jump right in and contribute. If he had stayed the course with MSU all along, he may have started
this year and MSU would have been a better team.
2) Cousins. Has some game experience, looked good when he was in but could not beat out a simply "adequate" Hoyer. 3) Maxwell. Needs some time to learn the game at the college level, and the college tempo. Too big of and adjustment for a true freshman (in most cases) to make and play well. He has the ability to compete as a Soph and Junior though, and seems destined to start as a Senior (without knowing other QB's to be recruited between now and then) |
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kaycob |
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Pav - I agree completely!
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prepseer |
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I believe that Nichol has the edge in 2009. Maxwell will red-shirt. In the long run, I think Maxwell will the the better QB.
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eagleCHAMP05 |
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Cousins looked impressive in what playing time he got this year, but I think Nichol has more pure talent than either of the other two candidates.
It's okay when you're respected, but when you're feared, that's when you've got the power.--Frank Lucas
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OKRedFan |
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Kirk Cousins and Keith Nichol will split time, Cousins will win the battle in the long run.
Maxwell gets beat out by whoever comes in during the 2010 class and only plays sparingly. Thats how it will go. IMO |
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LahserKnights |
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I think Nichol SHOULD start, but I think Cousins will start at least for the first few games.
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TOMMYZ |
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Nichol will start, period....Sorry, Cousins or Maxwell are nowhere near the talent that Nichol is...
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Spartan2008StateChamps |
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No doubt i feel that nichol has more pure talent, but i feel like cousins can manage a game better. With that being said, i feel that either of them is an
upgrade from Hoyer and the team can win with either of them starting. This very well could be the most talented team coach D has had in EL, and since i'm
not there at practices everyday, i'm going to have to trust coach D to pick the one that gives them the best chance of winning.
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trezdustrial |
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I give Nichols the edge, but it's nice to have a capable backup.
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Spartan2008StateChamps wrote: |
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Mongo59 |
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I think they both will get a shot at the start of the season . But after a few games I think Nichol will come out as the starter. His athletic and big play abilities make him the better choice. |
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completehomer |
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Maxwell will be fine one day. But starting a true freshman at QB requires a lot of desparation (see U of M). It's just very hard to step in and contribute
at the QB spot with so little time to prepare. Hopefully Maxwell will get the redshirt in 2009 - I'd be surprised if he didn't.
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BiasedGuy |
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See Pavlov reason #2
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ftballer67 |
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Article in the Freep this morning about the QB battle up in EL.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090711/SPORTS07/907110342/Michigan-State-s-starting-QB-spot-still-up-in-the-air Michigan State's starting QB spot still up in the airCousins, Nichol make compelling cases for jobEAST LANSING -- Combine Kirk Cousins' arm and precise timing with Keith Nichol's feet and ability to improvise, and one might have the perfect Michigan State quarterback.
That's how the "quarterback battle" between the sophomores usually is characterized -- one of two talented signal callers with varying
skill sets fighting it out to win the starting spot.
Their high school coaches give a more nuanced depiction. There's little question about their respective strengths, but the coaches say there's much more to them than pure athletic talent. "I wouldn't underestimate Keith's intelligence," said Noel Dean, Nichol's former coach at Lowell High. "His athletic ability may be off the charts, but he's a very intelligent player. He had well over a 3.5 grade-point average while he was here. I think he'd rather be known as intelligent than athletic." MSU's coaches frequently have mentioned Cousins' intelligence on and off the field, with his 4.0 GPA at Holland Christian serving as a testament to his brainpower. His competitiveness, however, might be the intangible factor that has delivered the 6-3, 202-pound Cousins to the point where he's poised to be MSU's next starter. "He's always had higher expectations than anyone else," said Tim Lont, Cousins' coach at Holland Christian. "He's harder on himself than anyone else could be." His MSU offer came late during recruiting, barely a month before the 2007 national signing day. MSU had an unexpected need at quarterback when Nichol de-committed to attend Oklahoma, and Cousins, who suffered a foot injury as a junior, was not in many larger schools' sights during his senior season. Cousins competed well with touted recruit Nick Foles of Austin, Texas, a player MSU signed a few weeks after signing day in 2007, and by the end of their true freshman season and the spring campaign, the race for the backup spot to Brian Hoyer was considered even. "We're obviously proud of Kirk," Lont said. "This has been a dream of his for a long time. He was our leader for four years, and we
knew he was capable of playing at the collegiate level."
When the 6-foot-2, 212-pound Nichol returned from Oklahoma, Foles transferred, leaving Cousins alone at the No. 2 spot. Cousins was 32-for-43 for 310 yards and two touchdowns in five games in 2008. He threw one interception.
Both players have returned to their former high schools in the off-season to work out and talk with current students, the coaches say, and they've
noticed significant changes.
Dean said Nichol's time learning the Oklahoma playbook and competing with future Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford improved his skills as a player, and that being away from game-time action for two seasons -- as a true freshman and last year on MSU's scout team -- has made him more eager to prove himself. "From a personal standpoint, he's shown a lot of personal growth," Dean said. "It allowed him to become a much better person. That's the thing I notice most -- his self-confidence is just off the charts." Lont said Cousins, already a strong student of the game, has improved even more in his decision-making. "He's grown a lot. He's way ahead of where he was last year," Lont said. "He's reading at another level now." The spring season presented the possibility of separation between the players -- either Cousins could use his game-time experience in MSU's offense to put himself ahead of Nichol, or Nichol could use his season of scout-team preparation and talent that made him one of the nation's top recruits to edge ahead of Cousins. Their identical statistics in the spring game -- 357 yards and four touchdowns -- became symbolic of the fact that the competition would extend into the preseason. "Both those guys are great leaders," coach Mark Dantonio said. "They've been very successful in high school, they have a presence on the field, and they were successful in the spring. We'll go into August and see how it works from there and into the season. But I think it's a good situation." Lont and Dean were complimentary when comparing the two. "Kirk has a great arm," Lont said. "Keith may have a little better feet and can scramble. It makes sense to use both of them." Said Dean: "I'm not Mark Dantonio, but it's a good problem for him to have. Keith has the ability to make plays under pressure, and that ability separates him a little." As all coaches recognize though, the hype surrounding the competition might mean little in the end -- for both athletes. "You're just one hit away from being the guy anyway," Lont said. |
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