tommiegun80 wrote:

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one has to wonder on how many potential shamrocks are now playing for the Spartans because of the move to novi. I can name at least three.... CC looked like they were grabbing at straws all game offensively, they were throwing the ball way too much, when they went to their power sets they had some success. there cover 2 4-3 defense was easily exploited by the spartans, who had they not gone into a playcalling shell in the 2nd half may have put the running clock on the Shamrocks. #7 stahl. (sp?) had a field day against the shamrocks. If the kids don't believe in the offensive and defensive philosophies that won 8 state championships in the last 20 years, then.. I think they have the wrong type of players, If the coaches are abandoning the philosophies that won 8 state championships in the last 20 years then there may be some other pressures on them or maybe the loss of coratti has hurt them, I don't know. I guess maybe parents have more of a say of what goes on in a school when there paying 10,000 a year, and from what i hear, it sounds like CC is losing more and more kids from the blue collar areas as parents would rather just save up to foot the bill for there kids college. I remember when I saw CC lose at Jackson worthington stadium in 2004 ending there season, on that field i thought i saw an empire crumble... .to this day I would say that the old CC football is gone. However, the KLAA looks stronger then ever with 4 teams in the quarterfinals, Will make the admissions director of the NEW NOVI CC harder and harder to get the type of athletes there looking for.

It's as if there is an expectation that CC should forever rattle off state titles at the same clip that they did from 1995 through 2003. It's as if anything other than that would require an explanation, rationalization, or would signify a death certificate for the CC football program.

To me, CC experienced an amazing level of success in that time frame. That's a difficult bar to be set for for anyone to reach for as a program, including CC. They could perhaps never again match that level of sustained success, but still be a top 5-10 D1 program in the state.

After a couple overdue down years, last year's CC team had a great run to the semi's. They brought a youthful team to the playoffs this year and did what they should have done.

I expect next year's CC team to make a run as deep as the 2007 team did, or perhaps even further. They return a lot of kids from a pretty good team. Landry, Kinville, D'Agostino, Capatina, Herzog, Palazeti, and Messner were all names heard a lot in CC Football this year. They are all back.

Let's not ring the death knell for CC football quite yet.

tommiegun80 wrote:

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So what are the expectations for the program? are they not state titles......

tommiegun80 wrote:

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Kids went there for the opportunity to win a state title, how do you tell the kid or the parents who are paying 10k a year that this is a "building year"?

tommiegun80 wrote:

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when their public schools are having fine football teams and the academics are strong if not as strong as CC's.

tommiegun80 wrote:

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Three how do they beat Stevenson, Novi, or some of these teams next year? Its not like Stevenson graduates everyone and Austin white still comes back.... Just because CC's players come back doesn't mean there better then what everyone else has in the cupboard...

tommiegun80 wrote:

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Fourth Are they a top 5 top ten program in the state? With the new playoff format no reason to not have a week 2 game while Rice and OLSM are playing Muskegon and EGR.. Seems like they were ducking people this year, Find me a top 5 or top 10 game next season so we can really assess, and no i don't mean inconference.. BTW just looked at mhsaa games wanted looks like Muskegon is open for a two year contract week 2.. .give em a call CC, because its obvious the CHSL was OVERRATED. (also fordson is available too)

tommiegun80 wrote:

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Believe me guys Im on your side, I was just disappointed in the game on Friday. I hope your right about future years, but I just don't see it... Maybe they need to send someone back to 142000 breakfast drive and get some of the practice field magic or something......

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BiasedGuy wrote:

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They also need to come up with some deluxe hitters to instill an intimidation factor. They may have that in Palezeti (sp) but need a few more.

It used to be that CC had at least a dozen guys on their team like that. Now they only have two or three. I don't think any of you can attribute that to the random nature of who attends the school. It's just way too coincidental (and almost statistically impossible) that the type of team changed at the exact same time as the move from Redford to Novi.

It seems to me that the administration had to choose between a healthy bottom line and a healthy dose of state titles in football, and they wisely chose the former.