How does the situation at U of M hurt instate recruiting...or does it?
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How does the situation at U of M hurt instate recruiting...or does it?
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 MWPilots |
How does the situation at U of M hurt instate recruiting...or does it? |
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Posts: 167 10/12/08 4:05 AM |
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KleShreen |
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All-State
Posts: 597 10/12/08 4:30 AM |
...What?
Grand Valley State - NATIONAL CHAMPS AGAIN! ('02 '03 '05 '06 baby!)  |
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MWPilots |
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Junior
Posts: 168 10/12/08 4:38 AM |
I have heard people say in the past that "big time" Michigan HS recruits would go elsewhere because they did not like what Lloyd Carr was running.
Now they have a spread coach and he is falling flat on his face right now. That is why I asked this question.
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All-State
Posts: 598 10/12/08 5:19 AM |
lol @ falling flat on his face. Got it Chicken Little.
Grand Valley State - NATIONAL CHAMPS AGAIN! ('02 '03 '05 '06 baby!) |
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BiasedGuy |
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All-Searn 1st Team
Posts: 1831 10/12/08 6:58 AM Forum Donor |
Probably too soon to tell. February LOI Siginig Day will be a better indicator. But why "instate" vs overall recruiting?
If I had to guess, M being M means that while they might experience a drop off, it will only be temporary. Losing for the first time to a MAC team, and a MAC team that was shut out the previous weekend by another MAC team, qualifies as falling on his face. At least at this time. |
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Quite frankly it doesn't hurt the instate recruiting because UM never has recruited that heavily in the state. They usually pick up a handful or less. I
can't recall the less time that UM had double figures for instate recruits. If anything this will help with RR recruiting since the high school athletes
will see that there is a need at UM and they will have a chance to start at UM right away.
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BiasedGuy |
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Posts: 1841 10/12/08 3:38 PM Forum Donor |
Good point MrNCAA. Certainly RR doesn't see himself as an instate recruiter only. But I disagree with your assessment. That is, if the present course in AA
prevails then RR may find it more difficutl for recruits to buy what he is selling. But ONLY if it continues.
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Posts: 99 10/13/08 9:27 AM |
The kids know this is a transition year and a painful one at that, so I think the situation will only help recruiting.
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much like Muskyfan, I think it will help instate... there are positions available that have never been and you can bet that quality players will want to fill
them.
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Posts: 5852 10/13/08 11:11 AM Board Owner |
Unless RR completely blows it .... I don't think one bad year is enough to make much of an impact on the future of a program like Michigan ...
Now 2,3,4 similar seasons ... then we'll see.
"Crank Me Up!"
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GHSfootball1990 |
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Posts: 339 10/13/08 3:17 PM |
I think most UM fans expected to struggle this season no matter the system. We lost the bulk of our offensive to graduation and NFL. We return two offensive
linemen with any sort of game experience at all. Sure they may have fell flat oh their face last Saturday but I think they showed us the kind of team they are
capable of being against Wisconsin. Sure they may miss out on a bowl game for the first time in 33 years this season and they lost to a MAC school for the fist
time ever but in my opinion this season has not done anything to help or hurt the recruiting. The UM's and Notre Dame's recruit themselves. Kids want
to go to these schools because of tradition or they been a fan all of their life many just hope they are good enough for one of these schools to come calling
one day.
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Posts: 36 10/13/08 11:34 PM |
Rich Rod is flat out a clown. I would never send my son anywhere near his program. This coming from a life long Michigan man. I predict three years and out for
Rich Rod. So, recruiting will be down short term.
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BiasedGuy |
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Posts: 1859 10/14/08 6:34 AM Forum Donor |
Hey GHS, I agree that most M fans saw a storm brewing. But not quite as severe as this. Still, it's year one.....
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Posts: 193 10/14/08 7:48 AM |
BiasedGuy wrote: Exactly. With their talent, no reason to not beat Toledo at home by at least 2 td's. Heck, line up in the I formation and run the same off-tackle play all day. Wear them down. Impose your will on them. They are fricking Toledo. You are Michigan, in the Big House. That being said, me =  all day saturday.
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GHSfootball1990 |
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Senior
Posts: 340 10/14/08 10:10 AM |
pavlov wrote: Sure UM has more athletes or talent than Toledo does but I am not sure you can call it a victory if coach totally disbands offensive system he believes in for that victory. Coach Rod believes in his system and knows it can win games. For a variety of reasons his system has struggled so far this season. Whether it is the lack of a true dual threat QB or the fact that until January the system was totally foreign to the entire team only time will tell. I am not willing to throw the RR under the bus just yet. Give the kids and the coaches' time to put things together. So for me the jury is out until sometime late next season. |
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Posts: 21 10/14/08 1:21 PM |
Rodriguez inherited a BAD team. They DO NOT have a mobile line or QB that are necessary for this zone blocking offense. They have mostly true freshmen skill
players on offense and are ALSO learning a new defensive system. Do your homework on RR and you will find that he has improved every team he has taken over. Oh
yeah, Pete Carroll was 1-4 with USC his first year. How quickly we forget.
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pavlov |
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Senior
Posts: 194 10/14/08 1:29 PM |
GHSfootball1990 wrote: I guess I used some hyperbole to make my point when I suggested he could totally abandon his offense and beat Toledo. I maintain they could but to your point, when trying to build a program, you have to learn the new system and not abandon it.
To me, Michigan should be able to do both against Toledo. Get some work in on the new scheme and out-talent the inferior opponent regardless.
So that being said, I'll make the same point with less hyperbole.
RR should be able to beat Toledo with the talent he has compared to their talent, period. Winging the ball around all day, or running the wham all day. Through the course of a game you exploit what is working and beat down an inferior opponent. Impose your will upon them. Problem is, despite the huge delta in talent levels between the two teams, nothing worked against Toledo. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Inexcusable.
Now just for giggles, let me point out that RR himself stated when he was hired that he would adapt his offense some to fit his personnel.
Has he adapted? Or is he stuck on the mentality of "I am not sure you can call it a victory if coach totally disbands offensive system he believes in for that victory"?
I'd suggest again, that he should not have to abandon his system. But by all means, get the "W" anyway you can within the rules. Adapt. Improvise. Overcome.
Once you have the talent at the right positions, evolve your offense toward what that talent can do.
At 2-4, and only a miracle second half against Wisconsin from being in the "WCS" (worst case scenario), I am not seeing that adaptive spirit. He is wasting a season with a bunch of winnable games on the schedule. |
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Senior
Posts: 195 10/14/08 1:37 PM |
FSUdawg06 wrote:RR's roster is full of 4-5 star recruits. I don't buy it that they are a "bad team". I completely agree RR will get it right once he completely transitions the program to his players (let's ease off on a USC comparison just yet though), but he has failed to leverage the talent he has this year. Wasting a season is what he's doing by sticking too hard to his gameplan without fulfilling his own promise to adapt to the talent. Not fair to the kids on the roster right now. John L Smith (who was an unmitigated disaster over a few years) at least took over Bobby Williams 2002 LOSER Spartan team and won 8 games in 2003 while installing a new spread offense. Mark Dantonio went the other way moving away from a spread, a year ago and went to a bowl game. In 1997, Joe Tiller took over for Jim Colletto and took Purdue (9-3) with a new spread offense to their first bowl game since 1984. They've been in Bowl Games every year since (until last year?). You can transition and win. It is possible.
Last Edited By: pavlov 10/14/08 1:49 PM.
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Searn |
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Posts: 5885 10/14/08 5:12 PM Board Owner |
I agree it's unfair to say he inherited a "bad team".
It's just a bad team for what RR wants to do. I think it also would have made a big difference if some of the guys who transferred would have stuck around .... such as Mallet and the Oline guys. PS Off to the College FB Board.
"Crank Me Up!"
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Sophomore
Posts: 22 10/15/08 8:27 AM |
Full of 4-5 star recruits? What exactly does that mean? Half of the 4-5 star recruits are FRESHMEN. Morgan Trent is SUPPOSEDLY a great player. Doesnt look too
great to me when opposing QB's throw at the Senior before the sophmore. Michigan has a lot of "First Team All-Hype" kids who never reached half
their potential. And this is all RR's fault? BS. Any team in the country that loses a NFL QB, RB, T, and two WR's is going to struggle. And Boren was a
soft punk who didnt want to work hard. I played for a former Schembechler player who frequently visits Ann Arbor to watch practice. He said that these kids are
being pushed harder than they ever were under lloyd and RR reminds a lot of "michigan men" of Bo....Take no excuses and DEMAND the best. The
recruiting classes are going to continue to pour in because kids want to be remembered for being one of the ones who "turned things around".
The bottom line is that they do not have linemen who can block in space which is absolutely imperative to a spread offense. Give it time boys, give it time. |
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pavlov |
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Senior
Posts: 204 10/15/08 10:44 AM |
FSUdawg06 wrote:Like Searn said, it's only a bad team for what RR wants to do. 4-5 star recruits means talent. More talent than a Toledo. Freshmen or not. They are better ballplayers that Toledo's. The "soft punk" you describe left for a better performing program with a very demanding coaching staff. Do you suppose he thought he was leaving a boot camp for a country club? Not likely. Soft punks don't see the field at OSU. Believe me, he gets pushed as hard as anyone in the country at OSU. He just didn't like the new coaching staff's philosophy at UofM. That happens with staff changes. No need to trash the kid personally. You say "Any team in the country that loses a NFL QB, RB, T, and two WR's is going to struggle". I agree. But I also would suggest that any Michigan team should beat any Toledo team any day of the week, under any circumstances based just on talent of recruits. At some point, football can become less like chess and more like checkers. Fundamentals, blocking tackling, throwing and catching. Michigan should beat Toledo on that alone. Losing to Toledo is not struggling. It's a "Program Loss". Coaches speak of "Program Wins". Well, there are "Program Losses" too. This one was unnecessary and is on RR. RR should have fulfilled his promise to adapt his game a bit to his personnel (can't block in space, then require less of it) but he isn't. He's wasting a season, and in the process took a "Program Loss". I feel bad for the Seniors. This should be a 7 win team, with a partial spread attack. Not a 4 win team with a full spread attack. Over time I believe RR will develop a big time winner in AA. It's just a shame he wastes this season. |
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