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Cville Trojans		#21	[url]	[-]
Senior Posts: 295 11/02/08 9:50 PM	Pretty good analysis footballa ... nice And I am thoroughly amused with the LNW crowd's wild claims that Berkseth, after having one above average season in the football mecca known as the Metro Conference, is ready to become the next Brian Urlacher if he grows a little more. Nice.
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Vicious58		#22	[url]	[-]
Freshmen Unranked Walkon Posts: 6 11/02/08 10:03 PM	I wonder where Berkseth was last year, and the year before that, and the year before that? If he is this big huge deal, everyone would have seen flashes, i agree NW's Lines were really good, those guys deserve more than a thank you but thats all they will get from Rolf and everyone else, The game is won in the Trenches, Well Said Footballa
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PrimeTime01		#23	[url]	[-]
Senior Posts: 312 11/03/08 12:40 AM Varsity	Hey footballa I totally agree that Northwest had a good line this and without them it would of been a long, hard season. My only point was that even if Gainer is a stud athlete he didn't show it at least that much defensively this year and his stats back that up. Now I know you can't go on stats alone but my Last statement on this is: that MVP players play up for big games -- the Conference Championship game vs Northwest he didn't do anything defensively and it wasn't like they ran away from him all game. - While Berkseth stepped up, led the team in tackles that game and had a huge fumble recovery. Matt Berkseth is no Brian Urlacher - but he does play like a madman. I didn't know we chose MVP's on how many scholarship offers they had - instead of how they played on the field. But honestly, I hope Gainer does well at Indiana and he might actually start before his senior year there - especially now after they lost to Central Michigan. He might get a chance to try to tackle Zurlon Tipton. I also heard that Matt Rolf takes the linemen to Old County Buffet every thursday to make sure they have enough energy to block for him. I think the wide bodies will also step up this week to make sure to keep lineman off Beauregard and Berkseth to keep Cade in check. It sounds like Shrine is underestimating them. I think C'Ville will win the battle friday with Almont as they beat a sub-par Madison team. I give my score predictions later. Also look for ShrinePops on Mlive to start talking trash. Last Edited By: PrimeTime01 11/03/08 12:56 AM. Edited 2 times.
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arthurhill		#24	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 24 11/03/08 8:52 AM	Quote from Vicious58: I wonder where Berkseth was last year, and the year before that, and the year before that? If he is this big huge deal, everyone would have seen flashes, i agree NW's Lines were really good, those guys deserve more than a thank you but thats all they will get from Rolf and everyone else, The game is won in the Trenches, Well Said Footballa Vicious58, This is a quote from the Oakland Press's Saturday (11-1-2008) sports section: "The offensive line played unbelievable," Northwest quarterback Matthew Rolf said. "It used to be our weakness, now it's our strength and the reason why we are 10-0." From what I hear Rolf praises his line for the great work that they are doing and gives them credit for the team's success, so, Vicious58, it would be nice if you knew your facts before popping off.
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footballisamazing		#25	[url]	[-]
Freshmen Unranked Walkon Hi! I'm New Here! Posts: 2 11/03/08 4:14 PM	rolf and berkseth are both very good football players and they both contribute to the team but they win as a team and theyve proved themselves by there 10-0 record.
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Wolverado	Can't quit quite yet...	#26	[url]	[-]
Freshmen Unranked Walkon Posts: 15 11/03/08 6:15 PM	... Git-R-Done, if the NW D line would be so much more important than the linebackers, shouldn't the linemen then have an unbelievably larger share of tackles, pummeling the runners before they even get to the linebackers? Your argument sounds unreasonable to me -- unless your main point is just to highlight the great linemen. In that case, no problemo. ... Also, great linemen or no, having a QB hit 8 of 9 passes which include FIVE FOR TDs shows me that there's more than of smidgen of talent at the NW QB/receiver corps, also. So don't just give me that 'line' (very small smidgen of joke). I've heard that the NW team is really enjoying their TEAM success, and they'd probably tell us to cut out the singling out of team parts and just say, 'That NW TEAM is baaad!'
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footballa		#27	[url]	[-]
Junior Posts: 126 11/03/08 8:22 PM Junior Varsity	Wolverado, it is a fact that defense and offense begins with linemen. You can't be successful without it. The defensive line's job is not to make tackles. Their main job is really to plug up holes. It is really hard for a defensive linemen to get off a block fast enough to make a tackle every play. That is why they have less tackles than linebackers. Defensive linemen plug up the holes, so the other team's offensive linemen cannot get out on those linebackers. If the defensive line does their job, the linebackers have a greater opportunity to make a play on defense. It isn't unreasonable. It's common knowledge of the game of football...
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Wolverado	footballa...	#28	[url]	[-]
Freshmen Unranked Walkon Posts: 16 11/04/08 5:30 PM	... You give a good description of what the defensive line does... part of the time. But I think you are ignoring the DE position - and check this out: for grins, I looked up the NFL current sack leaders, and 3 of 5 are linebackers - the other two are defensive ends (so does footballa have the winning argument?). Then, cuz I must have too much time on my hands, I checked the NFL all-time sack leaders: 7 of 10 are DEs, one (Kevin Greene) was a LB/DE, 1 was solely a LB (Ricky Jackson) and the other was a DT. So no LB dominance there! Sack/tackle... po-tay-do/po-tah-do! Yeah the D-line stands people up and the LBs make tackles. But the line-men - dominent ones, anyway - make their share (or more) of stops. Also, I'd say that, in high school, the lines are often much more unequal in talent than in the upper levels of play... so the elite HS linemen should regularly manhandle their opponents and make the tackles. I agree to disagree with you footballa. Fortunately, it doesn't matter too much what we think. And just as fortunately, NW's team seems to have very good linemen AND LBs! ... But you didn't comment on how the NW skill boys deserve their share of the team success. They DO! Last Edited By: Wolverado 11/04/08 5:36 PM. Edited 2 times.
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footballa		#29	[url]	[-]
Junior Posts: 127 11/04/08 8:06 PM Junior Varsity	You can't compare the NFL to high school football. They are almost different sports. The game is much different between the two. A high school defensive end is much different than an NFL defensive end. All I am saying is that the defensive linemen of Northwest were very good. Their job was to plug up holes. Not very hard when you are the biggest guys on the field. But, that was their job. This made it easier for the rest of NW's defense to make the plays. That's it. I never said NW's "skill" players weren't good. I just said their linemen played a significant part in their success. NW's line is better than their skill players. If they weren't, Northwest wouldn't have had their success.
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arthurhill		#30	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 26 11/04/08 8:18 PM	You can't compare the line to the skill players. They are almost different sports.
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arthurhill		#31	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 27 11/04/08 8:24 PM	One thing you can compare: Northwest's line to their opponent's lines so far this year. For example, NW's line was far superior to Westland's line.
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footballa		#32	[url]	[-]
Junior Posts: 128 11/04/08 8:45 PM Junior Varsity	I completely agree! They were far superior. Not even close. Northwest's line was much better than Westland's. But, here is my question to you: are Northwest's skill players better than Westland's? Maybe. But, I would say Westland isn't far behind. Haller, Ahlersmeyer (3-time 1st team all conference), Kemp, and Shoats. Those are some pretty good athletes. Now, if Westland had a line like Northwest's that would've been a different game and a completely different season. That completely proves my point that Northwest owes all of their success to their linemen NOT their skill players. That doesn't mean their skill players weren't good. It simply means their linemen played a much bigger part in their success.
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PrimeTime01		#33	[url]	[-]
Senior Posts: 316 11/04/08 8:59 PM Varsity	Wow - I don't even think I should get into this arguement! LoL Northwest is solid all around not many weak spots - but thier strenghts on defense has been thier LB's - especially in a 4-4 defense you have to have good LB's if you dont it will be a long year. But the D-line did and does do a great job keeping O-linemen off the LB's and filling thier gaps. Northwest secondary has also come up big this year as well with 11 INT's -- 2 for TD's. This a solid defense that gets the job done with better than average ILB's. we can all agree to that... right? Case closed! *They will be tested greatly on Friday night though -- and see if they can stop a tough Shrine Offense that likes to run some smash mouth football with a tough solid RB and big QB. Last Edited By: PrimeTime01 11/04/08 9:03 PM. Edited 1 time.
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arthurhill		#34	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 28 11/04/08 9:19 PM	Against Westland the score was 35-0 at the half. Rolf sat the entire second half. Final score 35-0. Were Westland's skill players also sitting out the entire second half?
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footballa		#35	[url]	[-]
Junior Posts: 129 11/04/08 9:43 PM Junior Varsity	arthurhill, you obviously don't understand what I am saying. Let me put it to you more simply: Lutheran Northwest beat Lutheran Westland because their linemen were much, much better. Not because of Matt Rolf. Yes, Matt Rolf was out at half. Why did they continue to play well? Their linemen were still in. Do you get it??
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arthurhill		#36	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 29 11/04/08 10:54 PM	Footballa---So if NW's dominant line was still in the game in the second half, why didn't they score another 35 points on the Warriors? Or maybe one score? NW has a good line, but please don't try to tell me that Westland's skill players are as good as Northwest's. And, yes, you are right, NW could have beaten Westland without Matt Rolf. But could NW have beaten Clarenceville or Parkway without him? All of the members of the team are important. You are trying to say that one part of the team is more important than other parts and that is where I see your comments as being negative. The last thing NW kids who read this forum need to think is that some kids are more important than others especially going into a tough game against Shrine.
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footballa		#37	[url]	[-]
Junior Posts: 130 11/05/08 9:34 AM Junior Varsity	Well, maybe they shouldn't read it. I hope that my comments will not effect their play this weekend.
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Ref70		#38	[url]	[-]
Sophomore Posts: 69 11/05/08 12:47 PM	Well personally I don't think the Northwest players even really care, that Westland wasn't even exciting or competitive after the first 5 mintues. Westland had maybe 80 total yards of offense. And I believe most of Northwest's back-up linemen played a ton that game.
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