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Jun 12 17 7:51 AM
Jun 12 17 9:15 AM
Tugboat69 wrote:westbloomflieldfan: YOu cant believe that statement, do you? if you do, you are really nieve over the whole high school sports programs. I will speak for the baseball side since i deal with it as a current coach, privite schools have a huge advantage, and do recruit and for the most part are better then the public schools. in both facilities and talent. I deal with it everyyear. hell i just played a private school from southfield that had 7 (senior transfers) to their program. i am sure it was just for the acedemics. and I am sure they just prepare better when the last guy on pitching roster throws smoke. you can compare talent wise a private school to a public school and there is clear advantage. Case in point, grosse point university ligget. a division 4 team in baseball, completing in the division 1 state playoffs right now. you cant think it is just training that allowed their team to dominate over d1 schools with a pool of 5k of students. that GPUL school has only 200 kids in that school. and that school is a powerhouse in most sports they compete in. but I am sure, it is the coaches training that gets them that way.
they should just put private schools in one divison and public in another. even the playing field. if you dont think it is un even, then do me a favor, look at the current regional parings in any team sport you choose: lacross, tennis, golf soccer softball, and baseball and look at the differencial of private vs public..... you will change your statement
Jun 12 17 9:16 AM
Jun 12 17 9:21 AM
Qman wrote:The number of inaccuracies in your post is astounding.
Jun 12 17 10:15 AM
Lets go to softball pairings"D1 0 out of 8 teams are private
Even in a down year Farmington Hills Mercy made the regionals so quit cherry picking years.
Jun 12 17 10:39 AM
TOMMYZ wrote:Qman wrote:The number of inaccuracies in your post is astounding.Mine?
Jun 12 17 11:33 AM
8 man football rocks wrote:
Lets go to softball pairings"D1 0 out of 8 teams are private Even in a down year Farmington Hills Mercy made the regionals so quit cherry picking years.
Qman wrote:TOMMYZ wrote:Qman wrote:The number of inaccuracies in your post is astounding.Mine?No...tugboat...we must've posted at the same time.
Jun 12 17 12:59 PM
Jun 12 17 2:18 PM
Jun 12 17 2:39 PM
Drew44 wrote:LakerLouie wrote:The ignorant Pirvate Schools homers will tell you Public schools recruit as well, which is true. In the larger divisions, I think it is closer to even.... But I have yet to hear anyone effectively explain how it is not a huge advantage for a D6-D8 private school to be located in a large urban area able to recruit players as opposed to a public school located in the middle of nowhere without the pool to "recruit from." Loyola, MCC, TCSF etc have lots of kids within their reach. Hayseedville, MI does not.
It's not a huge advantage because there are small programs all across this nation from Hayseedville towns that would absolutely wipe the floor with the Loyola, MCC, TCSF, Lumen Christi, etc...
Just look at the state to the south. In Ohio small public Hayseedville programs have won 16 of the last 18 state titles from the smallest 3 divisions in the state. Programs like Coldwater, Marion Local, Kirtland, and Fort Recovery have rosters that exceed 60, 70, and in some cases 80 players. They are well coached, extremely disciplined, and well rounded both offensively and defensively. The D6-D8 private schools in MI would be destroyed by these teams. And the people in these towns and communities are in no way, shape, or form different from the smaller towns and communities here in Michigan. There's nothing different in their DNA than the people in a town like Negaunee, or Charlevoix, or Napoleon.
There's absolutely no reason that any Hayseedville town in MI could not be as good as Coldwater, OH, or Marion Local, OH, and thus, be good enough to not only beat Loyola, MCC, etc.. but beat them badly... Because Coldwater, Kirtland, and Marion Local would... IMO the small public programs in MI have nobody to blame but themselves for not being as good. Because if there truly was an advantage for the small urban private schools then small rural schools winning 16 of the past 18 state titles in a state like Ohio with a huge urban population, with 3 of the largest urban area's in the nation (with plenty of small private schools in those areas) just wouldn't be possible.
LakerLouie wrote:The ignorant Pirvate Schools homers will tell you Public schools recruit as well, which is true. In the larger divisions, I think it is closer to even.... But I have yet to hear anyone effectively explain how it is not a huge advantage for a D6-D8 private school to be located in a large urban area able to recruit players as opposed to a public school located in the middle of nowhere without the pool to "recruit from." Loyola, MCC, TCSF etc have lots of kids within their reach. Hayseedville, MI does not.
Jun 12 17 3:06 PM
Jun 12 17 3:31 PM
Farmington Hills Mercy and Harper Woods Regina won state championships in softball the past two years. Those were the only two private schools that I could find in D1 softball wise.
Now that we are on softball, 6 out of the 8 teams made Tom's preseason top 25 list:
2 Macomb Dakota
20. Walled Lake Northern
Jun 12 17 6:55 PM
footballfred wrote:Why would this be true? MCC beat Bishop Hartley in 2014 (in Columbus), a team that is right on par with Coldwater and often competes with them late in the playoffs.
At the very least Coldwater vs. MCC on any given year would be a toss up. neutral field Coldwater (OH) 22,  Muskegon Catholic Central (Muskegon, MI) 21
Jun 12 17 7:05 PM
coachtomd wrote:50% coaching, 40% team chemistry, and 10% talent.it's 90% coaching because team chemistry is directly linked to coaching as well
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Jun 13 17 12:25 PM
footballfred wrote:If you don't think a two point differential vs a common opponent and a one point cal prep differential puts them REASONABLY close, then you don't.
But back to your original point which I believe is solid, a school like Coldwater doesn't have any advantage over a similar school in Michigan and they seem to regularly beat private schools. Much like Oakridge and Ravenna years ago - when their PROGRAMS were expertly run.
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