On the "elite" topic ... my list of current "elite" college football teams ...

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feeds@yuku.com (Spartan2008StateChamps) — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:07:01 GMT

idk searn, winning the most games against RPI top 50 as a conference is pretty impressive.

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:45:53 GMT

I don't think the big 10 was overrated ... because I don't think people had it highly rated in the first place.

I agree they had tough Bowl matchups. .... but the reason they got those tough matchups were because teams that matched up with them based on standings (give or take) from other conferences were better teams ... showing that it wasn't a very tough conference.

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:45:27 GMT

One other point to keep in mind when people say that the Big 10 conference was overrated last year. Based on Sagarin's ratings the conference did as expected in the Bowl Games whether one wants to ackowledge that particular fact or not:

# 22 Iowa beat # 38 South Carolina
#8 Penn State lost to #2 USC
#14 Ohio State lost to #4 Texas
#33 Michigan State lost to #15 Georgia
#44 Northwestern lost to #19 Missouri
#61 Wisconsin lost to #17 Florida State
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Re: On the "elite" topic ... my list of current "elite" college football teams ...

feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:49:15 GMT

Basically I disregard the wins and losses against the non D1A when I do the power ratings. If a teams loses to them, it usually shows up in other games.

I should have said the my Power Underdogs wins 70%+ against the final pointspread, not ouright wins. All the adjustments have to do with putting teams on an equal basis. I'm done arguing since the Power Underdogs is "recent" as well (probably more recent than what Searn is suggesting).

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feeds@yuku.com (Spartan2008StateChamps) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:35:43 GMT

NCAA, if you dont count wins over non D1A teams, does that mean you wont count losses against them either? YES I KNEW IT! Michigan never lost to Appalacian State, i knew it was a nightmare!

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feeds@yuku.com (APJaguar) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:35:42 GMT

Mr NCAA wrote:
Can you cite a source saying that Georgia Tech was better than either Penn State or Ohio State in 2008?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm

I wasn't saying they were better, I said they would have both teams on the ropes if they played. I dont think the Big Ten is really all that deep to be...

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 11:10:04 GMT

My "no research" Top 10 College Football Programs "recent" (whatever that means) .... not necessarily based on anything other than how I perceive them ...

A-Z

Alabama
Florida
Georgia
LSU
Ohio State
Oklahoma
USC
Texas
Utah
Virginia Tech

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:40:28 GMT

I was with AP up until Penn State ... I wouldn't have them that high

LSU was down in 2008, another year like that 2009 would probably take them off my list.

Miami and ND are quite a ways from being in the elite group ... right now are trying to prove them belong with the "good" teams let alone elite or very good .... A BCS bowl from either Notre Dame or Miami this coming season would be a good indication in my mind that they are on their way back to at least...

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:52:28 GMT

Here are the bottom 5 teams on my list:

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Re: On the "elite" topic ... my list of current "elite" college football teams ...

feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:32:24 GMT

Here are the "elite" teams in the 2009 Power Underdogs (going 5 deep, but due to tie there's 6 listed). Wins over non NCAA D1A teams were taken out plus 2 other adjustments. There used to be 4 adjustments, but the actual NCAA organization eliminated one for me a while back (won't say what they did). Everyone knows that I take out those non D1A wins or don't count them in the power ratings so that shouldn't be a shocker when I did that for this project. The real...

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:38:51 GMT

Can you cite a source saying that Georgia Tech was better than either Penn State or Ohio State in 2008?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:35:19 GMT

I am doing the 2009 NCAA Power Underdogs and am around one third done right now. Boise State leads through letter C currently. We'll see what that says when I get through, I will list the top 5 teams for the Power Underdogs.

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feeds@yuku.com (APJaguar) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:28:02 GMT

Mr NCAA, the Bucks record is the product of a weak conference (The Big Ten is overrated IMO). If you look at the 90's who did Ohio State play that was any good? Even with the 7-5 record for LSU, its safe to say they would easily beat Ohio State and Penn State because GT would have both teams on the ropes.

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:00:10 GMT

Georgia Tech was 7 - 3 pre bowl wise since I don't count wins over non 1A teams.

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:32:19 GMT

First, people can't overrule on the field calls or there were several controversial Super Bowl wins as well. I can remember some controversial calls going the SEC way during their NC wins as well. Next, the Buckeyes have lost less games than LSU has since 2000. Next up, LSU had so many losing season in the 1990's that it is pathetic to put them on the list. If you want to go back 10 years, Buckeyes are better. Go back to 1990 and it's a no brainer.

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feeds@yuku.com (APJaguar) — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:16:29 GMT

Heres my list

1. USC- Its self explanatory why they're the top.

2. Florida-2 NC's in the last three years is very impressive (Especially playing in the toughest conference in CF)

3. Texas- The most consistent programs win wise, 10 win seasons every year under Mack Brown. Plus 05 NC against a very good USC team.

4. LSU- The first to two BCS NC's, I know they were 7-5 this year but they showed why the SEC is tops against GT in the Peach Bowl....

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:25:27 GMT

Spartan2008StateChamps wrote:
I would argue that if you went to the BCS championship game would help solidify your standing as "elite", but thats just me.

One could make that argument ...

I think that solidifies OSU's spot as a top program ...� not necessarily elite.

It's like the old Sesame Street Bit ... "One of these things is not like the other"

A....

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feeds@yuku.com (Spartan2008StateChamps) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:33:45 GMT

I would argue that if you went to the BCS championship game would help solidify your standing as "elite", but thats just me.

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feeds@yuku.com (ftballer67) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:29:28 GMT

I agree on OSU Searn. Tressel has done a great job and OSU is an elite Big 10 team that went on one of the greatest runs in Big 10 conference play in a long time, but when you get hammered twice in the BCS title game it is hard to call OSU and elite national program.

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:18:08 GMT

I think you can say that Utah is a very good program right now .. but are not in line to be considered "elite"

Like I said I didn't go into the record books ... these were just the programs that came out onto the computer when I thought "College Football Elite" .... LSU seems to be the most debatable ...

I don't think of Ohio State as being in line with that group.... but they'd be in the next group of very good teams.

On the "elite" topic ... my list of current "elite" college football teams ...

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 23:24:18 GMT

Just based on my "look test" as one could call it that I brought up regarding the high school teams ...

For NCAA

The Elite (the first that come to mind, no research done)
USC
Florida
LSU
Texas
Oklahoma

I'm sure I probably missed some teams that should be in there ... but this was all off the top of my head.

116	North Texas
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