Define an "ELITE" program ....

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (RudyRudyRudy) — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:05:06 GMT

Yeah, I knew I'd leave out 1 or 2 obvious choices...FH Harrison definitely qualifies as blue blood royalty.

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:19:11 GMT

I'm not sure how many schools have reached such levels over a 5 year period ...

Despite being on a title drought, I'd add Harrison to your "blue blood" list ... and it's tough with the MAC schools with Ike and SHS never winning one and Dakota being a "newer" power.

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (RudyRudyRudy) — Sat, 30 May 2009 18:37:18 GMT

We're talking plural versus singular interpretations of the word elite? My, my we DO have too much time on our hands. Well, here's my 2 cents:

To me, elite simply means having accomplished something few others have over an extended timeframe (say, 5 consecutive seasons for the sake of discussion). The argument seems to start when we cannot agree on what those accomplishments include. Here's a list of accomplishments that are important from my perspective (note,...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Wed, 27 May 2009 21:17:16 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

Searn wrote:

That's an interesting one ... In general I'd say teams need a title to be "elite" ... but I believe there can be exceptions ...

It would be verrry tough to say Fordson was not in the D1 elite.

I...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (KleShreen) — Wed, 27 May 2009 16:43:20 GMT

Really, guys? 10 pages of defining a word found in the dictionary?

It's plain and simple. A TEAM is elite when they win a state championship convincingly in a season. A PROGRAM is elite with sustained success ("sustained" changes from person to person) meaning great record over time, great coaching, and just great operation/school in general.

The only elite programs in the state, IMO, are Rockford, Muskegon, East Grand Rapids, and Lowell, sticking to big(ger)...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Wed, 27 May 2009 16:12:02 GMT

Searn wrote:

That's an interesting one ... In general I'd say teams need a title to be "elite" ... but I believe there can be exceptions ...

It would be verrry tough to say Fordson was not in the D1 elite.

I think there has to be consistency. If you believe there can be exceptions, then teams do not need a title to be...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Tue, 26 May 2009 09:08:39 GMT

Mr NCAA wrote:
I'm just curious who Searn's expert is? I've read that Tom Lemming is quoted in articles as saying one of the Michigan high school QB's should or will be listed in his top 10 players nationally.

I don't even remember what the experts name was ... he was on with Mike Frank who runs the ND scout.com site. This was not surprising to me since I've read multiple articles...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Tue, 26 May 2009 07:58:51 GMT

I'm just curious who Searn's expert is? I've read that Tom Lemming is quoted in articles as saying one of the Michigan high school QB's should or will be listed in his top 10 players nationally.

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Mon, 25 May 2009 19:01:49 GMT

I was just listening to a recruiting show and something caught my ear and made me think of this topic. They were discussing the national QB prospects this season and the "expert" stated that "I don't believe there is an elite QB prospect in the nation this year"

Doesn't mean anything ... but that statement made me think of this topic.

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (BIGREDS89) — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:19:04 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:
NO, in your Rockford example Rockford is THE only Elite team and therefore it is best used singular and I am more than fine with the word elite being used in that instance because more than one source has told me that I can use it singularly. As far as...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Spartan2008StateChamps) — Mon, 25 May 2009 18:12:36 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:
NO, in your Rockford example Rockford is THE only Elite team and therefore it is best used singular and I am more than fine with the word elite being used in that instance because more than one source has told me that I can use it singularly. As far as Fordson in the 80's goes they were a good team but NOT one of the...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Mon, 25 May 2009 17:44:31 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:
NO, in your Rockford example Rockford is THE only Elite team and therefore it is best used singular and I am more than fine with the word elite being used in that instance because more than one source has told me that I can use it singularly. As far as Fordson in the 80's goes they were a good team but NOT one of the...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Mon, 25 May 2009 15:20:37 GMT

BIGREDS89 wrote:
NO, in your Rockford example Rockford is THE only Elite team and therefore it is best used singular and I am more than fine with the word elite being used in that instance because more than one source has told me that I can use it singularly. As far as Fordson in the 80's goes they were a good team but NOT one of the states elite. Part of my criteria is state titles and Fordson has none in the 80's....

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (BIGREDS89) — Mon, 25 May 2009 11:46:44 GMT

NO, in your Rockford example Rockford is THE only Elite team and therefore it is best used singular and I am more than fine with the word elite being used in that instance because more than one source has told me that I can use it singularly. As far as Fordson in the 80's goes they were a good team but NOT one of the states elite. Part of my criteria is state titles and Fordson has none in the 80's.

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Mon, 25 May 2009 04:27:17 GMT

BIGREDS89 wrote:

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:

The bottom line is that the construction and use of the word can be singular OR plural which then means you can have only ONE "elite"...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (BIGREDS89) — Sat, 23 May 2009 17:13:21 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:

The bottom line is that the construction and use of the word can be singular OR plural which then means you can have only ONE "elite"
Obviously there are definitions out there that indicate that, however, according to the majority of the...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Sat, 23 May 2009 15:03:22 GMT

BIGREDS89 wrote:

The bottom line is that the construction and use of the word can be singular OR plural which then means you can have only ONE "elite"

Obviously there are definitions out there that indicate that, however, according to the majority of the definitions, the best, and most accepted way that the word is used is in the plural sense. And in this...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (BIGREDS89) — Thu, 21 May 2009 19:33:07 GMT

MegaFan66 wrote:

BIGREDS89 wrote:
Except now we have TWO defintions from TWO different sources the original one that I posted AND the Merriam-Webster definition. Does that make them BOTH radical???

OK well, I apologize then, I thought both were from the same source. When you posted the first one we were talking about groups. Maybe...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Thu, 21 May 2009 16:54:31 GMT

Spartan2008StateChamps wrote:
yes. and i would consider that saying a team is elite just so you have more than one elite team is radical.

It can't be radical when the majority of definitions says there is more than one.

Why would you classify a team like Rockford in the example as elite, when it's better to classify them as the best. That's why it's better to classify the best as the...

Re: Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (MegaFan66) — Thu, 21 May 2009 16:49:28 GMT

BIGREDS89 wrote:
Except now we have TWO defintions from TWO different sources the original one that I posted AND the Merriam-Webster definition. Does that make them BOTH radical???

OK well, I apologize then, I thought both were from the same source. When you posted the first one we were talking about groups. Maybe classifying it as radical is extreme, but it's still in the minority compared to the other...

Define an "ELITE" program ....

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 10:12:05 GMT

Not to directly rip harvey/Pavlov/etc.'s discussion off mlive .. .

Words used like "elite" ... "top" ..."strong" ... "good".... "solid" ..... etc are subjective descriptions of a programs level.... and everyone has their own opinion of who belongs in each category based on their own criteria.

To me "elite" is a very strong term and is only reserved for a select few.

I'd have to say there's...