Iron Mountain gets the shaft ...

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feeds@yuku.com (applefan84) — Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:13:18 GMT

Mr NCAA wrote:

I disagree that the team with more playoff points has earned that right. It isn't an infallible system, and I don't even think it very accurately identifies the better team. It's a way of deciding who gets home field advantage. That's about it. If home field advantage isn't at stake (either because of the 200-mile rule in the Regionals, or the locations used for the State...

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feeds@yuku.com (upfootball) — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:33:28 GMT

I have to revisit this and tip my hat to Montague. They played a great game and the better team is moving on. Good luck I hope you guys win it all!

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feeds@yuku.com (upfootball) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:10:02 GMT

As usual that would be a piss poor arguement on the part of the MHSAA. The teams that get to go would go whenever they are happy to be given the chance to play for a title, but I can tell you as someone who has made that trip on Thanksgiving it would be a lot easier if the travel day was Friday instead of Thanksgiving. Do you realize how many businesses are closed on holidays? Then line up a practice facility on Thanksgiving Day...

How many Detroit area teams would be happy with...

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feeds@yuku.com (GHSfootball1990) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:40:43 GMT

upfootball wrote:
Do we really have to have the even Divisions on Friday and the odd Divisions on Saturday? Why not wait to see who the teams are and schedule the closest teams on Friday and the farthest on Saturday. Especially given the holiday. Is this using too much common sense?

While you raise a good argument I have a feeling the MHSAA would argue that it is a non issue due to the holiday. Schools are...

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feeds@yuku.com (upfootball) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:46:24 GMT

As long as I am complaining. Why not schedule all the UP teams that make the Finals on a Saturday rather then some of them getting a Friday game... especially in Division 8 which the majority of UP teams are?

Do we really have to have the even Divisions on Friday and the odd Divisions on Saturday? Why not wait to see who the teams are and schedule the closest teams on Friday and the farthest on Saturday. Especially given the holiday. Is this using too much common sense?

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:56:03 GMT

I disagree that the team with more playoff points has earned that right. It isn't an infallible system, and I don't even think it very accurately identifies the better team. It's a way of deciding who gets home field advantage. That's about it. If home field advantage isn't at stake (either because of the 200-mile rule in the Regionals, or the locations used for the State Semifinals), then the POP really is deservedly irrelevant.

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feeds@yuku.com (upfootball) — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:32:08 GMT

applefan84 wrote:
I disagree that the team with more playoff points has earned that right. It isn't an infallible system, and I don't even think it very accurately identifies the better team. It's a way of deciding who gets home field advantage. That's about it. If home field advantage isn't at stake (either because of the 200-mile rule in the Regionals, or the locations used for the State Semifinals), then...

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feeds@yuku.com (applefan84) — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:26 GMT

I disagree that the team with more playoff points has earned that right. It isn't an infallible system, and I don't even think it very accurately identifies the better team. It's a way of deciding who gets home field advantage. That's about it. If home field advantage isn't at stake (either because of the 200-mile rule in the Regionals, or the locations used for the State Semifinals), then the POP really is deservedly irrelevant.

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feeds@yuku.com (upfootball) — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:48:00 GMT

applefan84 wrote:

trezdustrial wrote:
Apparently it was the MHSAA decision to play this game in Gaylord. IM and Montague may have had nothing, or very little, to do with it!? Montague was apparently assuming it was going to be at the Dome (same as last year). I think either team was fine with the Dome, just didnt work out that way.

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feeds@yuku.com (trezdustrial) — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:41:51 GMT

Well there's 3 games being played at the Superior Dome this weekend. Seems like there could have just as easily been 4. One on Friday night and 3 on Saturday. I believe it's been done before.

Doesnt much matter now. It'll be Gaylord. As of 4:41 on 11/12/08:

Saturday: Windy, snow showers possible. Highs in the upper 30s and lows in the mid 20s.

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feeds@yuku.com (applefan84) — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:29:16 GMT

trezdustrial wrote:
Apparently it was the MHSAA decision to play this game in Gaylord. IM and Montague may have had nothing, or very little, to do with it!? Montague was apparently assuming it was going to be at the Dome (same as last year). I think either team was fine with the Dome, just didnt work out that way.

I tend to find that the people on this message board (as well as MLive) tend to ascribe to the...

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feeds@yuku.com (trezdustrial) — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:17:18 GMT

Apparently it was the MHSAA decision to play this game in Gaylord. IM and Montague may have had nothing, or very little, to do with it!? Montague was apparently assuming it was going to be at the Dome (same as last year). I think either team was fine with the Dome, just didnt work out that way.

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feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:02:46 GMT

BIGREDS89 wrote:

trezdustrial wrote:

Well... that's 65,000 over the course of 8 games ...

If the games were outside, in Late November, vast majority of people would come for one game and leave.

Games??? outside???? November??? Goodbye spread offense, Hello T,...

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feeds@yuku.com (BIGREDS89) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:26:44 GMT

trezdustrial wrote:

Well... that's 65,000 over the course of 8 games ...

If the games were outside, in Late November, vast majority of people would come for one game and leave.

Games??? outside???? November??? Goodbye spread offense, Hello T, wishbone and single wing offenses.

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feeds@yuku.com (trezdustrial) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:15:20 GMT

Mlive is more out of control this year than it has ever been, if that's possible haha.

You got that right.

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feeds@yuku.com (WMCfootball) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:04:31 GMT

upfootball wrote:

WMCfootball wrote:

upfootball wrote:
TCSF always CHOOSES to play in the Dome. They like it. They think it helps them if they get to Ford Field. Gotta love that attitude.

I have no idea why Iron Mountain was forced to go all the way down to Gaylord....

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feeds@yuku.com (applefan84) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:02:10 GMT

It's not one in 8 schools; it's 1 in 8 Districts. 21 Districts with 3 teams means 21 No. 1-seeds are getting a bye instead of playing a 4th seed. 21 total schools getting byes out of 619 schools is 3.4% of all schools getting a bye. Not exactly rocking anybody's world.

I think the CPA numbers should be "monkeyed" with anyway. Two proposed changes there:
1. A losing team gets 25% of the points they'd have gotten for winning. That is to say,...

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:41:31 GMT

What you call a small number is what I call a large number since that is more than one in 8 schools based on your data (13%). i don't see the schools giving up 1 regular season game to make your system happen since for schools such as Rockford that would amount to giving up $50,000 every two years plus booster money. Plus anything that monkeys with the historic CPA numbers I'm against unless one adds one more regular season week to the system.

Here is my system:
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feeds@yuku.com (applefan84) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:52:23 GMT

To quote myself:

"add 2 weeks to the playoffs (have the Finals be one weekend after the current weekend, and slash one week from the regular season) and collapse to 5 Divisions. Each Division would consist of two Sectionals; each Sectional would be divided into 4 Regions; each Region would be divided into 4 Districts. Districts would have 3 or 4 teams, depending on geography. Seed the Districts 1-4, as now; Districts with an odd number of teams would have the top...

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feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 12:24:04 GMT

Nobody is talking about 7 round playoff system or at least taking it that serious. That just isn't going to happen since that would involve byes under most any system that they come up with.

8 divisions with 7 rounds = 1,024 teams = MHSAA not even close to this number
7 divisions with 7 rounds = 896 teams = MHSAA not even close to this number
6 divisions with 7 rounds = 768 teams = MHSAA still not even close to this number
5 divisions with 7 rounds = 640 teams...

Iron Mountain gets the shaft ...

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:43:00 GMT
Wow, Iron Mountain as the home team has the longer trip in their game against Montague.

How did they decide on Gaylord?

My map has (city to city)

Montague to Gaylord: 3 hours, 40 minutes
Iron Mountain to Gaylord: 4 hours, 55 minutes

Some home field advantage!

As far as I'm concerned Montague should have to travel to Iron Mountain HS ... and the same for Iron Mountain if Montague had home field.