Is the MAC too big?

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (ftballer67) — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:22:14 GMT

It certainly seems that way and it is a shame as the MAC especially the Red division teams could be a part of some great early season OOC games and maybe even out of state games the way the CHSL central and OK Red do.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:42:53 GMT

To me it seems like the MAC and OAA AD's are simply too lazy to do their job and try to schedule games ....

They want to make it easy on themselves by only having league games and crossovers....

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (ftballer67) — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:31:39 GMT

After realignment in 2010 if the MAC Red and others can't schedule out of conference games or use common sense when selecting crossovers then I would say that yes the MAC is too big and there are too many AD's trying to have their way to make anything good out of a 36 team conference.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:58:42 GMT

MWPilots wrote:
What would you think about four 9 team divisions? Would that work better?

I can't stand divisions set up like that. I don't like the way the MAC only plays the MAC during the regular season.

I wish all leagues would play at least 2-3 teams outside of their own conference. I think it's better for the fans and the teams.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (MWPilots) — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:45:26 GMT

What would you think about four 9 team divisions? Would that work better?

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (completehomer) — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:37:38 GMT

But Mr. NCAA, the numbers you provide prove my point. You are saying that Class B teams make up all of D5, usually. That means that half the teams in the state (all Class C and Class D teams) are squashed into 3 of 8 divisions. That was my whole point - that the 6 wins and in system, along with many bigger schools scheduling smaller schools to get their 6 wins, is pushing the smaller schools out of the playoffs. I realize there is going to be some movement, but if things were working without...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Mr NCAA) — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:08:51 GMT

Completehomer, you do realize that Class D usually has close to 70 teams so it isn't as many of those other classes so that is why all Class D teams are usually in divisionn 8 (made D7 a year or two). Plus the number of Class C teams is usually in the 175 range down from the 190 range for Class A and B. B routinely makes up a huge percentage of division 5 teams if not all. So it isn't like Class B doesn't have their fair of teams in the playoffs. I say range since the...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (completehomer) — Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:18:48 GMT

Searn wrote:
Looking at the enrollments and the divisions posted by MHSFW ... It's not like there are any divisions in the MAC with A and C teams ...

All the divisions are either all A or B/C

Blue = All "A"
Bronze = 1 "C" and 5 "B"
Gold = 2 "A" and 4 "B"
Red = All "A"
Silver = 4 "B" and 2...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:53:30 GMT

One of my favorite things was when for a couple years they had the MAC vs. OAA openers.... that was a lot of fun.

Not sure exactly what happened in that case ... but if talk to people from either side I have heard one or the other or both sides were to blame to putting an end to that one.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (MHSFW) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 19:31:10 GMT

Searn, I am in total agreement with you on eliminating one week of cross overs and schedule non MAC teams. Imagine MAC Red v OK Red week one. I now many other MAC fans would support that. I would also support just better scheduling in the cross overs, why is'nt Dakota playing Cousino this year. I now that going to an eight week schedule was on the MAC AD's agenda earlier this year,late last year, I think the issue was tabled till a later date.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:21:40 GMT

Looking at the enrollments and the divisions posted by MHSFW ... It's not like there are any divisions in the MAC with A and C teams ...

All the divisions are either all A or B/C

Blue = All "A"
Bronze = 1 "C" and 5 "B"
Gold = 2 "A" and 4 "B"
Red = All "A"
Silver = 4 "B" and 2 "A"
White = All "A"

I see no issues with any of that ...

If...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 01:05:55 GMT

Ok, so basically the system in place from 1975-1999?

Pre-set or after the fact regions/divisions?

Honestly ... I think most schools like the "6 wins system" ... and it will be around for a while.

You can probably search the board on find info on this idea .. but a lot of us here are fans of the MHSAA going to a 5 division system with 64 teams in each division.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (completehomer) — Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:55:21 GMT

Yes, if teams from schools with 1,200 beat a team from a school with 500, it should count for less. This will mean the end of the 6 wins and in policy, which I feel is doomed as a result of what is happening with the Class A schools playing down (don't take my word, look at the D3 teams in the 2007 playoffs - if it were fair, most of the D3 teams would be Class B, but they weren't). MHFSA, I don't know what the AD's do, I'm not an insider. The AD's might honestly...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (MHSFW) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:32:30 GMT

I think the MAC AD's try not only to align divisions by enrollment but also competitiveness, I imagine other conferences do this as well. Lets consider what would happen to the Roseville program if they played in the Red. The alignement issue is look at every two years and debated just as much among the AD's as it is us.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:57:53 GMT

completehomer wrote:
Searn, I think the MAC is great for the Class A schools - put the most competitive in the Red, the wost in the Blue. For the Class B/C schools, the MAC is a bad deal. I would rather, as I stated, that the schools who are the best of their size in their geographic area advance to the post-season. I honestly think the game the MAC is playing by moving the Class A schools down will eventually lead to a...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (completehomer) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 21:36:21 GMT

Searn, I think the MAC is great for the Class A schools - put the most competitive in the Red, the wost in the Blue. For the Class B/C schools, the MAC is a bad deal. I would rather, as I stated, that the schools who are the best of their size in their geographic area advance to the post-season. I honestly think the game the MAC is playing by moving the Class A schools down will eventually lead to a rethinking of the MHSAA rule as to who gets into the playoffs. Don't get me wong, awarding...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:11:43 GMT

I've always thought larger Class B schools and any size Class A schools are about the same for the most part ... if you have close to 1,000 enrollment .. then I believe you should be a large enough school with a quality coach to compete with any school in the state.

And if a Class B/C school has a strong enough program that they feel they can compete in the RED... I don't have an issue with that either ... more power to them!

I personally don't put that much...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (MHSFW) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:40 GMT

I think if anything MAC teams tend to play up a division, by that I mean playing schools with a higher enrollment than there's. The only programs that are really playing "down" is Roseville who techinally should be playing in the Red if you go by enrollment, and some schools playing in the Silver who should be in the Gold Division.

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (completehomer) — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:58:58 GMT

I don't really care for how the MAC does things in football. If you look at how the teams are migrating south (by that, I mean that Class A schools are getting sprikled into the Class B/C divisions), it looks like nothing more than a pathetic attempt to get mediocre Class A teams into the playoffs. I say that you should play the closest competion amoung schools of your own size, within your geographic area. If you are the best Class B team in your geographic area, you belong in the...

Re: Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (Searn) — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:50:04 GMT

My ideas on conference size depend how the conference sets up the divisions.

If a conference does what it can to keep the divisions competitive in each sport, I see the value of the "Super Conferences"

If they simply set the league up by 1. enrollment and/or 2. location ... I don't see much point in having a "Super Conference"

In the case of the MAC ... I think they do a good job overall in terms of football ... I can't speak for the...

Is the MAC too big?

feeds@yuku.com (MWPilots) — Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:41:12 GMT

Does anyone think that it should be cut down or should it stay as is?